DEBATE: Is Christianity True? | Cosmic Skeptic vs Jonathan McLatchie

Share
HTML-code
  • Published: 12 May 2019
  • To support me on Patreon (thank you): patreon.com/cosmicskeptic

    To donate to my PayPal (thank you): paypal.me/cosmicskeptic

    To purchase Cosmic Skeptic merchandise: teespring.com/stores/cosmicskeptic

    To anybody who supports (or even considers supporting) my channel monetarily, thank you. I am naturally grateful for any engagement with my work, but it is specifically people like you that allow me to do what I do, and to do so whilst avoiding sponsorship.

    --------------------------------------VIDEO NOTES--------------------------------------

    Please note, the original title of this debate was 'Why I am (or am not) a Christian', which I have shortened for the video title.

    This debate took place on the 10th of May 2019 at Merton College, Oxford, hosted by the Oxford Inter-Collegiate Christian Union (facebook.com/oiccu). The topics covered include evidence for the resurrection and the morality of scripture.

    Thanks to Gabriel Michael and Kerris Cotterell for filming the event, and to Josh Venables for being an accommodating and impressively neutral host.

    --------------------------------------------LINKS---------------------------------------------

    Oxford Inter-Collegiate Christian Union: facebook.com/oiccu

    Apologetics Academy: apologetics-academy.org/

    Jonathan's YouTube: http://iloverimini.mobi/channel/UCr6nvYFyoCk5DsRgYRrhC_g

    -----------------------------------------CONNECT------------------------------------------

    My Website/Blog: cosmicskeptic.com

    SOCIAL LINKS:

    Twitter: twitter.com/cosmicskeptic
    Facebook: facebook.com/cosmicskeptic
    Instagram: instagram.com/cosmicskeptic
    Snapchat: cosmicskeptic

    ----------------------------------------CONTACT-------------------------------------------

    Business email: [email protected]

    Or send me something:

    Alex O'Connor
    Po Box 1610
    OXFORD
    OX4 9LL
    ENGLAND

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Comments • 12 114

  • doctor who0w
    doctor who0w  1 hours back

    holy cow, a respectful theological debate?!

    • Saint Michael
      Saint Michael  3 hours back

      A big fan of you 👍
      Smart is sexy.........

      • hey
        hey  7 hours back

        make a debate with Muhammad hijab
        it would be a really good debate cause. both of you are intelligent

        • Dave Robinson
          Dave Robinson  9 hours back

          Oh for fucks sake. Arguments to protect your magic book are not compelling.

          • 500er benzes
            500er benzes  1 days back

            Well its not like many Historic people did write in that time about Jesus and his death. Nobody questions that there are true or just Fantasy . But better accept that this flamming faggout who cant Look straight to the sun and gets squirting then Nasa Pulls out informations wich they get from there almighty monoquele that it rains diamonds on pluto or some shit without beeing there.
            Sorry for my bad english
            Your sincerly

            • Peni Jitoko
              Peni Jitoko  1 days back

              This cycle is repetitive ... religion vs aethism ... many will come ... many will go ... it will never be answered ... why waste time being in an argument that has no conclusion.

              • John Craig
                John Craig  1 days back

                It truly was not an Easter morning ; please do your homework ; Easter can be vilified as the leaven of the pharisees ; Easter is pagan , Catholicism teaches a Friday evening burial and a Sunday morning resurrection , Catholicism is also pagan, filled with idolatry ...Jesus was Crucified on Wednesday and rose on Saturday ( He is , The Lord of the Sabbath ) ...! 3days3nights he gave up the ghost at the 9th hour , that is 3pm he rose 3 days later , 3 , 24hr periods, which means he Rose the same time he died , 3pm ...please do your homework , God has no part with paganism , it is an abomination to him...

                • Felipe Behrens
                  Felipe Behrens  1 days back

                  Please correct me, but I’m pretty sure that if you want to treat any document as historical, you have to assume that it is fallible. All Human beings have tendencies to exaggerate, minimize, misremember, and misinterpret things. If you want to treat the Bible as a historical document, you have to accept that it can be wrong.

                  • champ8605
                    champ8605  1 days back

                    Christianity is true because of the bible therefore Islam is true because of the Quran therefore Hinduism is true because of the Bhagavad-Gita and on and on and on.

                    Theists either have really poor arguments for their god or they lie and are outright dishonest. it doesn't take a genius to figure out something isn't right when this is the only arguments they have. And all the debates theists have to "prove" their own religion can easily be used to "prove" another's religion.

                    But then again if their beliefs were true they'd show the evidence and not present fallacious arguments.

                    • Ticcy Robby
                      Ticcy Robby  1 days back

                      In guy's closing talk, i felt like i am in a church even though i have never been to.

                      • Ticcy Robby
                        Ticcy Robby  1 days back

                        and i pretty much respected him until about that point.

                    • Sheriff Bang
                      Sheriff Bang  1 days back

                      I love you LORD Jesus. Forgive them for they claim to be wise though are fools

                      • kefkapalazzo1
                        kefkapalazzo1  1 days back

                        is harry potter true?

                        • Glenn Floyd
                          Glenn Floyd  2 days back

                          What IMBECILES ask a question: "Is Christianity True"!? Of course it's true, so is Judaism, Islam! They ALL are bogus, fraud religions !

                          How puerile that anybody wastes 1 second on pointless trivia of whether ANY alleged event took place; there can and IS only one debate and that is that of an alleged god! If an alleged god exists then ANY alleged miraculous event goes without saying!!

                          There CAN only be one question and one debate, that is does an alleged god exist? If that is settled, ANY miraculous event is possible!!

                          Nobody believes in an alleged god !

                          NOBODY!!

                          It is Not possible to do!!

                          ANYBODY who says they do can ONLY be a Liar, an Idiot, or a Charlatan!!

                          Here;s the irrefutable ontological-epistemological evidence !! http://www.glennfloyd.org/atheist.pdf

                          AND this LIAR McLatchie also states his 'alleged' god is the 'alleged' creator of tectonic plates that cause earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanoes that have BRUTALLY-KILLED thousands of millions of innocent babies, boys, girls, woman and men!!

                          This makes his serial-killer 'alleged' god a PANDEMIC-LEVEL mass-scale EVIL murderer!!!

                          In addition, his 'imaginary' god (he alleges) also created Ebola, Polio, Syphilis, Bubonic Plague, Cholera, AIDS, https://www.rwjf.org/en/blog/2013/12/the_five_deadliesto.html

                          Not to mention, this knucklehead states his fanciful god created Pol Pot and Hitler knowing full well when he created they would BRUTALLY exterminate 8 million INNOCENTS!!

                          And he created them anyway!!!

                          If YOU did this; any decent society would exterminate you for such horrors!!!

                          Nobody believes in god!

                          NOBODY!!

                          It is Not possible to do!!

                          ANYBODY who says they do can ONLY be a Liar, an Idiot, or a Charlatan!!

                          • Ryan O
                            Ryan O  2 days back

                            tldr; no, Christianity is just a story.

                            • Deuterostomic Catarrhini

                              Lord of the rings is real because there are books, and have moral lessons to be learned from them. (and is better written)
                              see i can make claims based on a book of fiction. fear sauron.

                              • Harry Cunth
                                Harry Cunth  2 days back

                                This theist isn't very good .. I like William Lane Craig..he's a DOCTOR YALL!

                                • Sebastian LaPlume
                                  Sebastian LaPlume  2 days back

                                  This Christian is in denial that he’s in denial. He admits that morality is subjective well still defending absolute morality

                                  • # Dave Hong Han Quan
                                    # Dave Hong Han Quan  2 days back

                                    Can somebody just take away his atheism?

                                  • Mc Beans
                                    Mc Beans  2 days back

                                    Where are the feet pictures I need them

                                    • Kimbis Does 115
                                      Kimbis Does 115  2 days back

                                      To long, didn't watch
                                      2 people argue over whether Christianity is true or not.

                                      • Exillens 2.0
                                        Exillens 2.0  2 days back

                                        Can we stop this. It doesn't matter whether the bible god is real or not. When millions of children are raped, starved or killed every year without the biblical god's protection, religious people say that's because their god doesn't intervene or protect innocent kids and how it's our job to make the world better not his because predators have "free will". So the biblical god is pretty much useless in our affairs on earth. He's just a being in the sky watching, demanding love and worship, judging and waiting for the "big day" while arbitrarily requiring bloodshed and animal and human sacrifice rituals in order to forgive according to religious folks book and beliefs. Maybe if he had to live as a human until the world gets better and suffer with us to the end he'd use his powers and get more involved but that''s not the case. Whether religious. atheist or other it's all on us no matter how you slice it, so let's get to work.

                                        • Leo Valenzano
                                          Leo Valenzano  3 days back

                                          Terrorists blow themselves up with thousands of innocent people because of their belief in Islam and their devotion to Allah.

                                          • Xeno The Strange
                                            Xeno The Strange  3 days back

                                            "I don't answer hypothetical questions of that nature"

                                            • Slevin Klevra
                                              Slevin Klevra  3 days back

                                              You CANNOT assert that your storybook is "historical" when it includes zombies, talking snakes, magical teleportations, fiery chariots taking saints up to heaven, fish that swallow humans for 3 days and they survive, virgins giving birth and people living for 40 days after having no food. How is this any different than claiming Abraham Lincoln Vampire hunter is "historical" story?

                                              • Daniel Bouhadana
                                                Daniel Bouhadana  23 hours back

                                                @trmqs haha who the fuck asked for your opinion. Didnt your parents told you it's not worth that much? Cheers

                                              • trmqs
                                                trmqs  23 hours back

                                                @Daniel Bouhadana Triggered and can't even "sarcasm" right

                                              • Daniel Bouhadana
                                                Daniel Bouhadana  3 days back

                                                @Slevin Klevra I was being sarcastic you fucking piece of amphibian shit.

                                              • Slevin Klevra
                                                Slevin Klevra  3 days back

                                                @Daniel Bouhadana Repent for what, and to whom?
                                                Who the hell are you to tell me what to do?

                                              • Daniel Bouhadana
                                                Daniel Bouhadana  3 days back

                                                repent before its too late

                                            • Petr Novák
                                              Petr Novák  3 days back

                                              I am an atheistically leaning agnostic, but just was inspired by a comment to make this thought experiment, maybe sheding some light on how it is actually impossible to prove god under atheistic standards:
                                              If a guy came out, saying he was Jesus, he looked like Jesus and all that... we asked him to do the miracles he supposedly did. He does them - ressurects a dead man, heals the sick, whatever... We hook him up do MRI and much else, do experiments and just analyze all of this... And we (probably) will find out he is possibly emiting some radiation that actually "damages" the cells to make them heal, neurons to make the dead brain function again, heal the tissue, perhaps his skin is able to produce analgetic. I mean, there will be something happening that can be described better than "HE JUST DID IT"...
                                              So now with this deeper understanding of how he did it, wont we just say: "this guy has a very rare mutation allowing him to do XYZ in XYZ ways, also is mentally ill and thinks he is the son of god. Definitely no miracles here" .... Is this a fair assesment? The fact we re-described the miracle? Cant we do it with everything? Is it even possible to do a miracle that proves anything under our scrutiny? Is it not possible all action of god would have to be grounded in reality in order to be perceived as factual evidence, which would then immediately mean they are dismissed as naturalistically explainable? Isnt that a self fulfiling rebuttal? EDIT: I mean, if all that is perceived "supernaturally" is in our heads, and all that seems miraculous but is physical is "just physics", it is impossible to prove anything about god, ever, right?


                                              EDIT2: A counterargument being such mutation is SO UNLIKELY, that even science would consider that basically too improbable to be random. But... we have a lot of gaps that are never going to be explained, because its impossible, like the beginning of the universe. And that is a pretty unlikely thing considering nothing should be nothing. It was a pretty unexpected and improbable thing, that the universe began... and we still made different explanations like the multiverse and quantum fluctuation, that do very little to prove anything testably... :/ I dunno, let me know what you think :D

                                            • sem munn
                                              sem munn  3 days back

                                              I don’t apologize for being right.

                                              • Falling In Zero Gravity

                                                Why does it matter?

                                                • Sonny
                                                  Sonny  4 days back

                                                  Dinosaurs went extinct just for this

                                                  • John Linden
                                                    John Linden  4 days back

                                                    IT IS EMBARRASSING TO LISTEN TO THIS RIDICULOUS CHRISTIAN APOLOGIST AND HIS REASONS TO BELIEVE
                                                    THIS BRONZE AGE FICTION ! ALEX WAS BRILLIANT IN HIS ARGUEMENTS !

                                                    • Daniel Bouhadana
                                                      Daniel Bouhadana  3 days back

                                                      repent before its too late. When you see god almighty yourself you ll cry.

                                                  • Nathan
                                                    Nathan  4 days back

                                                    Like a young Hitchens!

                                                    • Trtoski
                                                      Trtoski  4 days back

                                                      Truth is, Religion wasn't founded on logic. It was founded on passionate argument, and failing that, killing opposition.

                                                      In the modern era, we use logic to deduce what is really happening. This is completely new to Religion. Never in history have they ever had to use logic to get their way: it was always persuasion or violence, never factual argument.
                                                      So now we see Religious people trying to play into the logic game, using things like probability theory and such because, in their minds, hey, if my opponent is using this word to convince others, I must use to too in my rhetoric!
                                                      But we are NOT using rhetoric. We don't make good sounding, persuasive arguments, we show PROOF. And they just can't get around this, and they will willy nilly throw anything at the wall, sometimes falling back on old methods like threats of Hell, or sometimes trying to use the hip and trendy 'logic' just because they see others using it. Fock.

                                                      • Hans Dampf
                                                        Hans Dampf  4 days back

                                                        well, i guess it just went how you would have expected... they will never get it!

                                                        • Harry Nicholas
                                                          Harry Nicholas  4 days back

                                                          i hate to say it, but you put me in mind of hitchens - don't whatever you do let that go to your head, but he's sorely missed, reincarnation? possibly....dodododooo do dododdooo XD

                                                          53:00 well done mclatchie, that must be the first time i've heard "i don't know" from a believer, and good response from you, i wouldv'e been distracted by the victory.

                                                          • mailbox2223
                                                            mailbox2223  4 days back

                                                            I think Alex clearly lost in the beginning. You can’t play the game of contradictions; this book has existed for way too long for there not to be some response to each inconsistency. And the faithful won’t care about what Alex has to say later on because he voluntarily gave away his credibility on the matter. There are just so many better arguments Alex could be making instead of entering the uneven playing field of Christian interpretation

                                                            • Johann Swart
                                                              Johann Swart  4 days back

                                                              Cherry-picking at it's finest. It's like talking to an idiot. Wait No, not like. It is clearly a discussion with an idiot.

                                                              • Dima Kotik
                                                                Dima Kotik  4 days back

                                                                The story of "Proculus Julius" seeing resurrected Romulus comes from 4th century revised edition of Livy's "Ab Urbe Condita Libri," of which we only have 10th century copies. When Plutarch discusses the story (to my knowledge even in later manuscripts), he offers several different versions of it. Given the age of the account and the variety of it, it is more likely that the Romulus story was influenced by Christ's when Roman paganism was in competition with Christianity, rather than the other way around. Early Christian competition was against Judaism.

                                                                • Samuel Santiago
                                                                  Samuel Santiago  5 days back

                                                                  This is what I like, two people debating, not nessacarily agreeing but at least willing to respect and hear eachothers side

                                                                  • Jim Jimmerson
                                                                    Jim Jimmerson  5 days back

                                                                    Glad everyone in the comments section is civil and unbiased😅

                                                                    • Some Guy
                                                                      Some Guy  5 days back

                                                                      Whether you agree or disagree with either of these fellows, I'd just like to be happy that, outside the US, debate doesn't always consist of bike locks and death threats

                                                                      • TAKOCAKE
                                                                        TAKOCAKE  5 days back

                                                                        isnt any probability under o.5% deemed impossible or am I wrong?

                                                                        • Francis Nwafor
                                                                          Francis Nwafor  5 days back

                                                                          It takes more faith to believe that nothing made everything, 0+0 suddenly equal 100 percent you dont believe in God but you believe the miracle of the big bang atoms colliding into each other, where did the atoms come from, if matter can't be made or destroyed where did the building blocks for the first things pop out of ,Nothing happened to nothing and for no reason everything began to happen, space, matter, energy, consciousness we all believe in the cause and effect theory but when it comes to what caused the universe atheists would love to attribute it to nothing because they hate the idea of God being in their lives that they have no power over and dont want to be morally accountable to because He says that some of their favourite sins are wrong, repent today and come to the lord stop this folly evidence of the bible being the truth are around you but you just dont want to believe it because its fairy tales, your mere existence is impossible the fact that something can even exist is a fairy tale and said fairytale can be achieved by a power that is able to do the impossible, omnipotence and that's one of Gods attributes.

                                                                          • Francis Nwafor
                                                                            Francis Nwafor  5 days back

                                                                            @Tom Hey have a good day

                                                                          • Tom Hey
                                                                            Tom Hey  5 days back

                                                                            "It takes more faith to believe that nothing made everything"
                                                                            Maybe everything was already there in the first place?
                                                                            If it's reasonable for you to believe God existed at the beginning of time, then it's possible for the universe to exist at the beginning of time.

                                                                            "they don't want to be morally accountable " hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of atheists are perfectly moral.
                                                                            They just don't follow the moral rules you've taken from whichever sacred book you've chosen to believe in (Bible? Quran? Torah? Buddhist sutras?).

                                                                        • Grunthos The Flatulent

                                                                          Alex is great. I deeply admire his inquisitiveness. I'd love for him to come to Australia. McLatchie ought to know there is more than four alleged gospels. How does he get such basic details wrong? He also ignored the question of animal suffering. And inductive reasoning? Puhleaze

                                                                          • Rolf Leseratz
                                                                            Rolf Leseratz  5 days back

                                                                            Faith is never rational!

                                                                            .

                                                                            • Rolf Leseratz
                                                                              Rolf Leseratz  5 days back

                                                                              Jesus is a man made fairy tale figure that never existed!
                                                                              Like all religions christianity is based on lies that are harmful to society and to the individual!

                                                                              .

                                                                              • Adam Goddard
                                                                                Adam Goddard  5 days back

                                                                                Is it just me or is he trying to use hearsay as evidence to prove hearsay? Eye witness testimony and hearsay cannot be used as absolute evidence, it can be used to support existing falsifiable evidence but it cannot provide absolute proof for anything in and of itself. The only potential exception to this is if you have a reliable and large enough sample of identical claims by persons who are known factually to have had absolutely no contact with each other by any means.


                                                                                I am commenting only after hearing only Jonathan's opening statement. But prior to and briefly after taking the podium he diligently claimed that he is a christian only because he has seen real world evidence. The only evidence he has offered in his opening statement is hearsay, absolutely nothing that a modern observer can see/experience for themselves, only the word "of very trustworthy people".

                                                                                • pedrolopa2
                                                                                  pedrolopa2  5 days back

                                                                                  As a Christian I find these very funny. It's impossible for this Christian to win as you can't prove that god exists or that Jesus resurrected. Even less that everything in the Bible is true or makes sense. I understand that many are atheist if they only see this Christian point of vue.

                                                                                  • Macent
                                                                                    Macent  5 days back

                                                                                    "God would never kill kids"
                                                                                    - Abraham & Isaac
                                                                                    - Noah's Flood
                                                                                    - The Passover (the final of Moses' plagues)
                                                                                    - Unbaptized babies automatically going to Hell
                                                                                    - Holy conquests started by God wherein the pagans' men and kids are killed, and women raped

                                                                                    • Monk
                                                                                      Monk  5 days back

                                                                                      Matt dillahunty would have fun with this dribble dick